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Lesbian U.S. Soldier Wins New Canada Hearing for Refugee Status

20-Nov-2009 5:29 PM
Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A U.S. deserter, who was denied refugee status in February, won a new hearing before Canada’s immigration board after a judge ruled the initial decision failed to consider the U.S. Army’s treatment of homosexual soldiers.

Bethany Lanae Smith, 21, deserted in September 2007 and sought refugee status in Canada, saying she risked cruel and unusual treatment if she returned because she’s gay. Smith says she was harassed and received death threats because of her appearance and because she was seen holding hands with a woman, according to court documents.

In his decision, Judge Yves de Montigny ruled the panel ignored evidence Smith presented on how gays are treated in the Army and its decision was not supported by evidence. He also said the board failed to consider Smith’s personal situation.

“The applicant’s claim is not simply that she is a conscientious objector and that she will be punished if she returns,” de Montigny wrote. “At the heart of the applicant’s claim is that she is a lesbian member of the U.S. Army, who was harassed and threatened at the same base where a gay member of the Army was beaten to death, and who feels she could not rely on her superiors to secure protection.”

The case is Between Bethany Lanae Smith and the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration. File No. IMM-677-09. Federal Court of Canada (Ottawa).
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21-Nov-2009 9:48 AM
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Skyler, like the 36 war resisters known to be now residing in Canada, chose to desert the US Army after hearing horror stories from fellow soldiers who had recently returned from Iraq and Afghanistan

Skyler, with her close-cropped hair and penchant for slim-fitting shirts and skinny ties, refused to hide her sexual orientation. In fact she flaunted it — even hanging a rainbow flag in her room at the military base, despite a rule which prohibits anyone who "demonstrate(s) a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts" from serving in the US Army.

"I didn't want to hide," says Skyler, who knew she was gay when she signed up for the military, but said she figured she could keep it under the radar. "In the end it didn't work out that way. I was ridiculed daily by the other soldiers and even received hate letters."


Sounds a lot, an awful lot, to me that not wanting to go to Afganistan is the one and only reason she is now here in Canada
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21-Nov-2009 11:16 AM
Pigdog - I disagree.

We all know I'm openly gay ... I do a lot of work in Uganda - which just introduced laws that state that the maximum penalty for being gay is death -- and that 'harbouring a homosexual' (i.e. not telling the authorities you know a mo) carries a 3 year jail term (and that even applies to families).

Now, since I started working there in 2002, there are FEW people that know I'm gay. It's not an open society, and I specifically chose not to disclose. I made a conscious choice that I would continue doing the work REGARDLESS of the laws, as I deem the work more important - and I just don't sleep around when I'm there anyway. The only challenge arises from the incessant questions about marriage and kids.

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21-Nov-2009 11:51 AM
Ako - I believe that you are very intelligent, a hard worker devoted to improving the lives of others, and have the wisdom to be discrete (as indicated in your post above) with respect to your sexual orientation.

I believe the deserter in the OP shares none of these character traits, and making her a poster girl for the Lesbian War Resistance Movement is dumb.

Playing that card (gay persecution) in the case of the OP just obfuscates the real reason she is now here in Canada.

She decided she didn't want to have to deploy to Afganistan, she didn't feel like sticking around in the US military till her contract was up, she didn't receive a warm welcome from her colleagues re. her sexual orientation. So, let's just go AWOL and desert, and find a friendly country to claim refugee status in. Which she did.
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21-Nov-2009 12:26 PM
This young woman entered the US military well aware of of their attitudes and policies towards homosexuality. She should not have signed up for the military. It is high time that the US evaluated their policies; threats and beatings represent discrimination based on sexual preferences. Threats and beatings are also crimes.
The article does not mention her deployment to Afghanistan, so I cannot comment on whether or not she came to Canada to avoid service overseas. I cannot speak to that.
She will be dishonourably discharged regardless of what we do. I don't think that the threats made against her are any less real than the threats made against individuals who we accept as political refugees.
If we return her to the US I am concerned that she will end up in prison and I question how she will be treated given the circumstances. Being imprisoned for going AWOL may be different than being imprisoned and gay.
I would like to know know more about what would happen to the woman if she is returned to the States before I decided if she should remain here as a refugee.
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21-Nov-2009 12:39 PM
Pigdog - IF she can demonstrate that her life was threatened due to her homosexuality -- that is a VALID claim. Canada HAS granted refugee status based on homosexuality before -- mostly from areas like Africa (at the 2006 International AIDS Conference in Toronto - MANY delegates sought refugee status, and were granted it, based on sexuality). All she has to do is show one letter, one note, that threatened her - and she qualifies.

The US does NOT have the same human rights protection for sexuality that Canada does. Canada actively prosecutes gay bashing as a Hate Crime - which is much more serious than simple assault.

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21-Nov-2009 1:13 PM
In the United States, Federal prosecution is possible for hate crimes. Originally defined it was hate crimes on the basis of a person's race, color, religion or national origin. In 2009 The Matthew Shepard Act added perceived gender, gender identity, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, and disability to the federal definition.

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21-Nov-2009 1:29 PM
Pigdog - IF she can demonstrate that her life was threatened due to her homosexuality -- that is a VALID claim

I have no bone to chew on IF that is what has transpired. The link in post 15 indicates that her decision to cut short her military committment was for the reason of not wanting to go to Afganistan. That she is a homosexual is secondary to that fact.

I don't doubt that homosexuals are discriminated against in the military, and deserve to be treated the same as anyone else.

The situation of the soldier murdered because of his sexual orientation at Fort Cambell happened almost 10 years ago, and resulted in a conviction with a life sentence for the perpetrator.
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21-Nov-2009 1:35 PM
Rosa Parks knew that it was against the law that she could not sit at the front of the bus. Other Black people knew it was the law that they could not vote and could not even eat at restaurants or drink at fountains. Based on what people here are saying…all of them should have obeyed the law and NOT rocked the boat. There should never have been any mass demonstrations because they also were against the law. As well if it were not really against the law on the books, based on what some here are saying about this lesbian soldier and applying the same basis for Black people then if they knew they wouldn't have been accepted then they should have just stayed in their place and once again not gone against the norm. If Black people knew they would be harassed when they walked in a restaurant then why do it? Well it was for the same reason that this woman joined the military knowing that she might face problems. it was simply put, the RIGHT thing to do, and needed to be done.
But when she faced more discrimination than she expected and when she was threatened with her life, she tried to save herself. Not all people have the strength to deal with the extremes in the prejudice minds of others and become like the gay male soldier a decade ago who at the same military installation was beaten to death with a baseball bat.
She could leave the military under the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy (which in itself is discriminatory) but those papers could not be processed till after her term in Afghanistan. So she fears what will happen in Afghanistan. There are many ways to accidentally dispose of a person during a war. That combined with the death threat is enough to make many people want to leave an institution that is full of prejudice and hate. So she came to Canada for safety.

Now I read reasons that a lesbian soldier was both wrong to have wanted to be a soldier and also she should not be in Canada. What is going on here? We use to be a country that stood up for people in other countries who are being unjustly treated. We even sent soldiers to fight and die to help give them their freedoms. But when injustice and prejudice exists amongst our own, we blame the victim. What has happened to this country!
This soldier lived in fear, fear of both persecution and prosecution. Fear of being mistreated and fear of even death. We have a duty both morally and with conscience to stand by her and also give notice to the USA that we do NOT tolerate discrimination in any way, shape or form. Or have we as well become fearful of the not so great USA?
What I am reading is not really about a lone female soldier in the US military. The reality is they are quiet subtle statements of prejudice and homophobia in our own country.
I think if some of these people who are trying to find any justification for this prejudice against this woman by reversing the blame onto her in any way possible, as well as banishing her from Canada, if it were their daughter going through this, they would be singing a different tune.
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21-Nov-2009 1:45 PM
The conflation of this issue by bringing up the example of Rosa Parks doesn't negate the fact that desertion has always been and will always be a criminal act. Anywhere on this earth.

This soldier wassn't conscripted. She enlisted voluntarily, then decided she wanted out. If you, clan-excaliber feel that military contracts should be construed to allow soldiers to opt out of their contracts whenever they feel like doing so, then so be it.
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21-Nov-2009 2:03 PM
People have a right, if not a responsibility to both themselves and for others in the same situation, to opt out of any contract that has become an untruth. If someone can show me where in the contract with the US military that it says she has to face discrimination, prejudice and even death by one of her own people, then I'll say she should abide by the contract. If a person signed a contract to clean windows in a 50 storey building and found that the scaffolding was life threatening, then the owner of the building said they would try and fix it but no guarantees and you still had to walk out on it, then would it be reasonable to break the contract?
This woman signed a contract to join the military and fight for and defend her country, but she didn't sign a contract to be threatened with her life by her own people. The military will not protect her because it is an old boys society. Just the fact that they have a Don't Ask Don't Tell policy proves that. The real policy should be, Tell All You Want and Anyone Who Gives You a Hard Time In Any Way Will Be Prosecuted.
I do believe in living up to contracts, but not contracts where one side could care less about your life.
That is all I have to say on this subject, I have family to spend my time with today. As someone once said to me, "for some no explanation is needed and for some no explanation is ever enough".
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21-Nov-2009 2:23 PM
A lesbian soldier who deserted form the U.S. Army, yesterday won a key court victory Friday when a judge in Canada ordered that country’s refugee board to reconsider her asylum claim and take into account compelling evidence that she was persecuted and that her sexual orientation could mean stiffer punishment for going AWOL.

Bethany Smith, 21, fled to Canada in September 2007 after serving one year as a mechanic with the army at Fort Campbell, Ky. and sought Canadian refugee status saying she feared persecution because of her sexual orientation.

Smith, who says she was outed by another soldier after she was spotted walking hand-in-hand with a woman at a shopping mall, said in court documents that she was badgered daily, assigned extra work by her superiors and received more than 100 threatening notes on her dormitory door, including a death threat.


Is there anyone on this board that would stay in a situation where your life is being threatened like that? She didn't volunteer for that.

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21-Nov-2009 2:23 PM
"I do believe in living up to contracts, but not contracts where one side could care less about your life"

I don't know this to be a fact, and will try to see if it is so, but I believe a soldier, police officer, firefighter cannot disobey an order on the grounds that obeying it may be detrimental to his or her health.

Kind of an exception to the Occupational Health and Safety Act.

The onus lies on the officer giving the order to exercise good judgement and decision making. The military is a good place for people who don't mind others doing their thinking for them.
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21-Nov-2009 2:26 PM
This is a hate crime pigdog. It's not fighting a fire.

Why are you defending threats on a persons life based on their sexual orientation?

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21-Nov-2009 2:37 PM
"Why are you defending threats on a persons life based on their sexual orientation"

A question from way out there in left field somewhere.

I'm not. Have not. Will not. Can not.

We will see how this turns out with respect to the alleged threats.

"This is a hate crime pigdog. "

Going AWOL and desertion are not hate crimes, disisus.
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21-Nov-2009 2:59 PM
I read the courts decision. It was based on the fact that she had legitimate reasons to fear for her life because she was gay and the refugee board refused to look at or consider her evidence.

[50] There was simply no evidence before the Board Member to support his finding that the
brutal murder of Private Winchell was an isolated incident, or that those who harass, threaten or
physically harm or kill gays and lesbians in the military are severely punished. Quite to the contrary,
the applicant submitted evidence that was to the opposite effect: namely, that the harassment and
violent attacks on gays and lesbians in the Army is systemic and commonplace in the American
military, and that immediate supervisors and unit commanders tolerate or are believed to tolerate
that behaviour to some extent.
[51] In a report commissioned by the Center for the Study for Sexual Minorities in the Military
(“The Practical and Conceptual Problems with Regulating Harassment in a Discriminatory
Institution”, U. of California, 2004; Exhibit 5 to the applicant’s affidavit), to which the Board
Member refers extensively in his reasons, it is indicated that the top of the chain of Command at
Fort Campbell did not issue a single statement condemning anti-gay conduct following Winchell’s
murder, and even denied its existence. This senior ranking officer blamed the increase in gay
discharges on gays seeking a means to leave the Army, but was nevertheless promoted to Lieutenant
General, the second highest position in the Army. These specific findings are reported by the Board
Member at paragraphs 84 and 85 of his reasons.
[52] But it was not sufficient to summarize the evidence presented by the applicant. The Board
Member should have addressed that evidence and discussed it in his reasons, and could not content
himself with speculations that Private Winchell murder was just an isolated incident. This was all
the more important since the applicant had pointed out to the Board Member that she and Private
Winchell not only shared a perceived identity in sexual orientation, but that they were both based at
Fort Campbell. She also provided evidence that she received threats that she would be beaten with a
baseball bat in her sleep, just like Private Winchell. It was incumbent upon the Board Member, in
making his finding that Private Winchell’s murder was an isolated incident, to indicate why he did
not accept evidence to the opposite effect.
[53] This speculative finding of the Board Member is not innocuous. First of all, the evidence
offered by the applicant goes a long way to establishing her subjective fear of persecution as well as the threat to her life. That evidence was also crucial to substantiate the objectiveness of her fear, and the ability and willingness of the state to protect her. One must not loose sight of the fact that the
applicant could be returned to her unit and face the same threats that she had faced before pending
determination of the measures to be taken against her. Accordingly, I am of the view that the
Board’s failure to explain why this evidence was rejected was material to its decision.


She's also received a phone call that said holes were going to be put in her face if she came back and a text message that she should be killed.

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